hi korg1,
As I have mentioned, the problem (or limitation) is, in this case we can not use NTR=Root Fixed setting for channels 1-8. Because Root Fixed tracks sound wrong if we play them with 1+5 (two keys do not define full chord).
You can make a quick experiment: record E3-G3-C4 notes into Ch12 (=Chd1) and make the following settings for it in SFF (on keyboard):
Source Chord=C
Source Type=Maj
NTR=Fixed
NTT=Chord
Save the style and run it.
First play C chord by pressing C+E+G (=full chord) and then play C chord by pressing C+G (=1+5). Result will be different, although you play the same chord and the same track.
If you change above setting to NTR=Transpose, then result will be the same for C+E+G and C+G and so that seems to be the solution. The problem is, in that case you can not have chord inversions in chords progressions (chord progression within octave).
Chord inversion (Root Fixed) is used in styles a lot for many instruments (guitar strumming, piano accompaniment, etc.) and I simply can't imagine a style without it.
Don't get me wrong.. I'm ready to think about making an option to copy tracks from one variation to another, but I simply see no benefit at this point. The thing is, we can already do that on keyboard (in Assembly panel). Of course we can not copy from ch9-16 to ch1-8 (which is the reason for this discussion).
The only thing that holds me back is (as you have mentioned), Pa5X OS is still not finished (after 2+years!) -some essential options (that Yamaha does have) are still missing -for example, there's no "Multi-Select" (notes in track) option.
Of course, I did try "MIDI Song to Style" and in my opinion it is usable only for very simple midi songs. If midi song is just slightly more complex (i.e. if it contains chord variations in some of the tracks), then it's impossible to create a useful style.
Btw. MIDI Song to Style also contains bugs and so it can happen that generated style is not usable.
Bogdan
-and that's what I see as interesting idea. If that would work as expected, then we would practically have two Main variations (MainA and MainB) in a single MainA variation.. and we would switch to second variation (which is now in Ch1-8) by playing "1+5" chords.all tracks 1-8 will use the same sounds as tracks 8-16 ,they will just play different accent when i play a (1+5) chord,that's the idea.
As I have mentioned, the problem (or limitation) is, in this case we can not use NTR=Root Fixed setting for channels 1-8. Because Root Fixed tracks sound wrong if we play them with 1+5 (two keys do not define full chord).
You can make a quick experiment: record E3-G3-C4 notes into Ch12 (=Chd1) and make the following settings for it in SFF (on keyboard):
Source Chord=C
Source Type=Maj
NTR=Fixed
NTT=Chord
Save the style and run it.
First play C chord by pressing C+E+G (=full chord) and then play C chord by pressing C+G (=1+5). Result will be different, although you play the same chord and the same track.
If you change above setting to NTR=Transpose, then result will be the same for C+E+G and C+G and so that seems to be the solution. The problem is, in that case you can not have chord inversions in chords progressions (chord progression within octave).
Chord inversion (Root Fixed) is used in styles a lot for many instruments (guitar strumming, piano accompaniment, etc.) and I simply can't imagine a style without it.
Don't get me wrong.. I'm ready to think about making an option to copy tracks from one variation to another, but I simply see no benefit at this point. The thing is, we can already do that on keyboard (in Assembly panel). Of course we can not copy from ch9-16 to ch1-8 (which is the reason for this discussion).
-that's one of the reasons why I'm seriously considering to buy Pa5X.on Korg's ...
you can use up to 6 cv ...
The only thing that holds me back is (as you have mentioned), Pa5X OS is still not finished (after 2+years!) -some essential options (that Yamaha does have) are still missing -for example, there's no "Multi-Select" (notes in track) option.
I don't use "MIDI Song to Style" and so I can not guarantee that my program will properly handle the styles created by "MIDI Song to Style".Now,on Yamaha's....i can build the style by using midisong to style software ...
Of course, I did try "MIDI Song to Style" and in my opinion it is usable only for very simple midi songs. If midi song is just slightly more complex (i.e. if it contains chord variations in some of the tracks), then it's impossible to create a useful style.
Btw. MIDI Song to Style also contains bugs and so it can happen that generated style is not usable.
Bogdan
Statistics: Posted by BogdanH — Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:48 am